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[–] MrFagtron9000@lemmy.world 59 points 1 year ago (13 children)

This is such a fucking stupid argument to make.

The reason airlines make x% of CO2 emissions is because people want to fly, they're an airline, and there is no emissions free way to power a plane.

The reason the plastic company makes x billions of plastic sporks every year is because I want a spoon to eat my Taco Bell Nachos in my car. They're not making all the plastic pollution because they just hate the Earth.

They're not cartoon villains like in Captain Planet that pollute just to make pollution.

[–] Smk@lemmy.ca 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If it's that bad, then let's make a law that fixes the problem.

You can take this and just welp, plastic spoon is cheaper and all my concurrent are doing it so fuck it.

We want a greener industry? Make the fucking law reflect that otherwise, fuck off.

[–] Vreya37@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago

Which is how this ends up being a chicken-egg problem.

Are people driving plastic usage or is capitalism driving policies that drive people to use more plastic?

And if so, why is industry writing policy instead of the public, or agents that are supposed to work for the public's interest?

None of this ends until enough "regular people" coordinate to take power back from industry so that we operate like an actual democracy again. If you want to preserve an environment on Earth fit for human habitation, you have to get loud about... Campaign finance reform : P. And then realized that as boring as that sounds, that that will be when things actually would get violent and scary bc real power would be threatened.

I am not optimistic we'll even get that far. Our population probably will take some very severe hits in our lifetime though. I'll cut down on meat where I can, but I am mostly just enjoying the good times we have left.

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