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[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 10 months ago (15 children)

The rest of the world is finding the courage to push back at all levels against the Eurocentric North Atlantic dictatorship - finance, energy, rhetoric, politics, force. Love to see it

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 10 months ago (14 children)

I really think we're entering an inflection point where there is sufficient critical mass that makes it possible for countries to band together and resist the empire. And the war in Ukraine has been the catalyst for this. The west ended up being sucked into a conflict on a scale it simply wasn't prepared for. A huge chunk of the existing western military assets ended up being committed to Ukraine which necessarily weakened western grip on the west of the world. Meanwhile, the economic war on Russia resulted in the creation of a whole new economy that's operating outside western control. BRICS is now a bigger economic bloc than the entire G7, and this trend will only accelerate now.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 10 months ago (11 children)

If we look to history, the USA should end up enacting military production mandates through a more overtly fascist formation. I question whether the USA has sufficient industrial capacity, even under centralized management, to make a difference. Clearly the USA has the fuel production capacity, as it's become one of the largest producers in the last few years.

There's a possibility that Mexico might have more manufacturing that the USA could appropriate for weapons production, but I still don't think it would be enough.

Additionally, a fascist formation in the USA would be incredibly difficult due to the way the population is sprawled out. Brown shirts are only going to be effective in cities, which is exactly where the greatest population of resistance fighters will be. In the sprawl, it'll be roving militias and vigilantes, but they will have to be incorporated with military intelligence to be effective at finding and disrupting resistance.

In short, unlike past movements, I don't think the USA has a path out even through overt fascism.

[–] RedWizard@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Could this result in a balkanization effect? Lots of exit talk in the last 10 years (caliexit, texit). Could conditions be reaching similar states that invoked things like The Hartford Convention?

My thinking is there would probably need to be more external intervention for that to a happen. Which I think aligns with history.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Balkanization is likely going to be forced by climate change making vast swathes of the US uninhabitable for suburbanites. That will create mass migrations of liberals and ghost towns will be taken up by armed groups. The major areas with access to water and farmland are going to end up with state militias setting up borders with those abandoned zones, and balkanization will reify through ideological struggle.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What happens to things like massive stockpiles of nuclear weapons is going to be a big question at that point.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, it's going to come down to deep state actors allying with BRICS powers to manage. The alternative is BRICS powers invading the USA to secure them, which will almost guarantee a nuclear incident. There are sane heads in the deep state around nuclear that have spent decades working to ensure they don't go off. They will work with foreign intelligence as long as they are able to avoid losing the planet for their families and generations of their children.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago

That seems plausible, but I wouldn't underestimate just how irrational these people are either.

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