Are people assuming I'm pushing a conclusion about who blew up the pipes? I literally just heard about Hersh 2 hours ago and posted some links I found for others who are new to the subject too. Lol take it easy people.

[–] voight@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago (3 children)

No I'm just asking why you're incredulous at the idea. You're right I can't expect you to know who Hersh is but he's a hi-profile investigative journalist who has a patronage relationship with intelligence agencies.

To me it comes down to whether we believe the deep state source that UK & Ukraine acted more on their own volition and this wasn't a joint NATO intelligence kind of thing, or we assume they're just trying to push away blame considering that Germans have to pretend to believe we didn't bend them over.

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I'm just asking why you're incredulous at the idea

That's your assumption. I was just gathering information, that's all. Maybe you expected me to swallow the thesis without question, idk. You seem to know what you're talking about so it might just be that you're surprised that what's so clear to you after doing dozens of hours of reading is still a nebulous idea to me after 15 minutes of reading.

It seems a handful of people had the same assumption as you but I still hold that it was an unfounded assumption as I never expressed an opinion either way.

I do appreciate our dialogue and the new information you pointed me to, though.

[–] voight@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I am aware totally normal people find out about Snopes because they do Mythbusters kind of shit and then mix in ludicrous geopolitical takes.

But almost everyone who drops Snopes on me these days has already made up their mind about how the NYT never lies and everything else is Russian disinformation.

Regular ass people were telling us me I was a Russian because I wanted a kinder Zionist to win the United States Democratic presidential primary & give me free healthcare (how time flies)

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