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[–] voight@hexbear.net 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (11 children)

Interesting but it makes me apprehensive about the way liberals will cope with these events.

Someone pointed out to me they will just act like Netanyahu was Israeli Trump and this is an aberration of democracy (not to say that is The Take about Trump either lol)

[–] Dreamer@lemmy.ml 12 points 10 months ago (10 children)

It's probably a mix. To my knowledge, there are three broad categories we can place Israeli citizens in regarding Netanyahu and Zionism:

  1. Pro-Netanyahu / Right Wing Zionists
  2. Anti-Netanyahu / Any wing Zionists
  3. Anti-Netanyahu Anti-Zionists

To be clear for anyone else reading this: Zionism is the idea that there needs to be an ethno-state in the occupied territories with Jewish supremacy. Anyone that believes in a single state where everyone has equal rights even if it means that Palestinians become a majority is not a Zionist. If this was not the case, Zionists would not have been systematically expelling Palestinians to ensure a Jewish majority and supremacy.

Group #1 and group #2 make up the majority of Israeli citizens. Group #3 is a minority that is often branded traitorous. Just because Netanyahu killed democracy in some aspects, it does not mean that he is going against what the majority of Israeli citizens want with regards to Palestinians because they are either Zionists or indifferent. They might not want the Palestinians to be violently bombed and instead might opt for control or slow silent deaths through starvation or occupation. What they definitely do not want is for 5 million Palestinians to join them and become citizens with equal rights.

[–] voight@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

They might not want the Palestinians to be violently bombed and instead might opt for control or slow silent deaths through starvation or occupation. What they definitely do not want is for 5 million Palestinians to join them and become citizens with equal rights.

At this point some of the cooler heads in intelligence or ex spooks who retired to commentariat understand their actions are self-destructive, too noisy. One guy said they should never have drawn attention to the hostages, just killed them.

[–] Hegar@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago

One guy said they should never have drawn attention to the hostages, just killed them.

I'd love to find out specifically who that was. Do you remember where you heard it, or some keywords you think might help me search for it?

[–] Dreamer@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

That is harrowing, but I'm not surprised.

Also, if you could find the source on that, I would really appreciate it.

[–] voight@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago

Yeh will get that tomorrow ⏰

[–] voight@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I lied I am looking for it now, thought this was the middle of my sleep cycles but I just conked out at old people hours lol

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