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[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (8 children)

Even ignoring the Ukraine war, was there any possible path for Russia to become militarily aligned with Nordic countries? Countries such as Sweeden, even if they were publicly neutral, have made their position quite clear that they were NATO aligned by participating in NATO military drills since 2006 and integrating with NATO military standards. Thus the Ukraine war has just made these unofficial/more private alignments towards NATO by the Nordic countries public. The writing has been on the wall for decades now with the military alignment of the Nordic countries. The Ukraine war just sped up the timeline.

[–] stevehobbes@lemy.lol -3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

If there were any advantages to doing so, why not? The issue is there are no advantages and myriad disadvantages to aligning with Russia, if you believe you’re a democratic state.

Why would any democratic state want to align with a totalitarian state unless it was the only option?

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

Why would any democratic state want to align with a totalitarian state unless it was the only option

So why are they aligning with the USA? The candidate with the most votes has lost 1/3 of US elections in the 21st century, there was an effective judicial coup in 2000, and an attempted coup in 2020. Where has the US and their collective partners ever supported democracy? There was support fascist forces in the Balkans, integration of Eastern Europe into the EU not as equals, but as an effective semi-colony of major Western and Central European countries, similar to the relations between the USA and Latin America. In the global south, through the support of reactionary forces such as political Islam and through direct military intervention, the US has been complicit in the wholesale destruction of societies, as illustrated by Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya. I have not even mentioned the situation in Israel, where the USA is actively supporting an apartheid state in Israel and giving them the bombs and ammunition to commit genocide. I have not even mentioned the neo colonialism of the the powerful western and central European countries in Africa.

In what way is any of this democratic by "the West" or the USA? To me, this is the pinnacle of reaction, not progressive or democratic. The true answer to your question has nothing to do with democracy, and rather lies the the first part of your own statement, the Nordic countries think that it is more advantageous to align with "the West" than Russia militarily, and perceive this to be better for their own self interests.

[–] stevehobbes@lemy.lol 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They’re aligning with the US because the other party they could have aligned with has annexed their other ally once already, and then launched a full scale invasion to take more in the last 10 years.

You can say what you want about American democracy and probably be right - but it’s more little d democratic than Russia is currently by leaps and bounds.

One does not need to look at a Supreme Court ruling as a coup to see a dictator at work in Russia.

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