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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 114 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (13 children)

If only. Democrats are historically milquetoast in response to Republicans.

This charade has been going on for 40-some years or more. At least since the likes of Reagan and Gingrich.

  1. The court could go out of their way to rule on the case and make sure it only applied to Trump and only in this instance.

  2. Just because the Democrats are suddenly given power doesn't mean they will use it to stop fascism. Sadly, too many in the Democratic party are invested in the US Empire to just let go of how things currently work. Their long inability to act is literally why we are at the precipice of fascism fully taking over. The Democrats fell in line with Bush's illegal war in Iraq, and they declined to do anything about the fact that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld & Co. signed off on torture. We're about to have Trump as a Dictator because we refused to do anything about leaders who were and are war criminals. People expecting Biden to do something, even if it is ruled in his favor, are waiting in false hope, imho.

EDIT: To be clear, I'd be ecstatic to be proven wrong, honestly. It would be nice to see Democrats really stand on the right side of history, not just partially or out of convenience.

[–] spicytuna62@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (8 children)

Just because the Democrats are suddenly given power doesn't mean they will use it to stop fascism.

Democrats had the opportunity to enshrine Roe after the 2020 election. They had a trifecta. They could have passed whatever they wanted and the Republicans would have had to suck it. And they deserved to go unheard, too, because it's what Republicans did to Democrats for four years. Abortion is overwhelmingly favored among the voter base. We've been seeing abortion rights being protected on state ballot measures, even in states Trump won by wide margins. What we needed for half a century was a law on the books explicitly granting the right to an abortion rather than a SCOTUS decision based on an interpretation of an Amendment that doesn't explicitly guarantee that right. So why did the Democrats do basically nothing to enshrine Roe between 2021 and 2023?

I'm still going to vote blue because the options are either fascists or business as usual. Do I really have a choice? So while we're at it, fuck the two-party system.

And it's not just that particular Congress's fault Roe wasn't enshrined. There were other Democrat trifectas after Roe. The last Congress just happened to be the one to oversee the overturn of Roe.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The Republicans had the house in 2020. The last time Democrats had the trifecta was under Obama for about 6 weeks, they still didn't do anything because enough senators were having health problems, so they still didn't actually have enough votes.

We need to burn down the state election offices till they stop gerrymandering the fuck out of tons of states so that the Dems can actually have a supermajority.

[–] TAVAR@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

6 weeks? They held the trifecta for 2 years! From 01/09 to 01/11.

If you give the Dems a supermajority even more Senators will have "health problems" for way longer

Look, I know my instance gives it away, but from Marxist to self proclaimed angry commie: You are dead wrong comrade.

Dems under Obama didn't not do anything bc of "enough Senators with health problems" but because they are beholden to their bourgeoise donors. In essence they are a party representing the bourgeoisie who only occasionally throw you a bone when they are pressured to do so

And you pressure them not by voting harder for them but by doing political work outside of both parties.

The harder you vote blue, the less they'll do for you!

A bit oversimplified but I like the ring of it so I'll run with it.

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