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[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yes, b-listers but we are down to E tier. I've been a Marvel fan my whole life and it's obvious to me some of these franchises are so obscure.

[–] asd5a@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well, guardians of the galaxy had been very obscure, but I am not quite ready to call them e tier.

Remember blade? I didn't even know it was a comic book character when its success paved the way.

Really, putting the blame on the obscurity of characters is making it too easy and ignores all the fuck-ups around the movies that in my opinion have had a big hand in making them fail (not an exhaustive list):

  • Taking the worst trait from comicbooks: requiring the audience to have consumed other titles (worst offenders here are probably Dr. Strange 2 and the Marvels which need Wandavision and Ms. Marvel to make sense)
  • Alienating the (mostly male) audience: a big offender there is She-Hulk
  • Using fan service and cameos as replacement for good writing
  • pacing issues and tonal backlash: Thor love and thunder suffered from giving emotional moments not enough time to breath in favour of cramming in more laughs

Also don't overestimate how many moviegoers are also Comic Fans.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There is two things going on. You have opening night and you have total sales. Marvel has fully saturated Hollywood so they can't just ride the superhero hype for opening night. If the quality of the film is up to par like you said it can build momentum. What Im getting at is when I look at a Marvel movie you have to offer me something other than a canned action movie. When it comes to interesting characters and stories the well is starting to run dry.

[–] asd5a@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

I agree on the movies having to offer interesting characters and stories.

But I don't think marvel comics are running dry in that regard; there is still loads Disney could plunder from the comics