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Well, Tuvok is one of the worst Vulcans around in general. He lets his emotions get the better of him a lot, as we saw throughout Voyager, but I never saw this line as something that was 'un-Vulcan'. Then again that's probably because I've always taken this scene as Tuvok 'giving way' a little bit. He does that occasionally on the show, sort of putting on an emotional front or putting things in emotional terms, to help soothe various characters with whatever they're dealing with. Considering that she was about to die and was freaking out about her kid (which was directly putting her at further risk by raising her heart rate/breathing rate in a closed environment) I just assumed Tuvok sort of... manipulated the truth a bit to calm her down.
Granted that's just my headcanon.
I'm still working my way through VOY but even as far as I am (just watched "Tuvix") there have been many instances where he has had emotions overwhelm him. I feel like mind melding with a violent psychopath didn't do him any favours.
I would like to point out that Tuvok is not the only prominent Vulcan who has let emotions get the better of him once in a while.
I would go further and argue that Vulcans all recognize that they are inherently emotional, and strict denialism is just part of the way they build the logical society and mindset that they desire. Tuvok is honestly the first Vulcan they showed properly dealing with that, despite his attempts to blow it off by refusing to talk about it with others.
The other Vulcans we saw tended to leave it at the surface level, and then we didn't get to see the internal struggles like we did with Tuvok
I agree. I think people forget (or missed) that the Vulcans went for this logic-only lifestyle because they are such an extremely emotional race that it nearly destroyed them.
That is why they begin their emotional control/suppression/denial training basically at birth. It doesn’t come naturally to them, and as every Vulcan living among humans has pointed out to them at some point by a Vulcan living in Vulcan company: living with humans makes you an emotional mess.
Season 5, Episode 13 focuses a lot on Tuvok. Helps explain more about his character. Lemme just say that yeah, you're right. Melding with Sudur wasn't that great of an idea but definitely wasn't the cause of his problems.
Should have just nerve pinched her.
You can use logic to deduce when appearing to show emotion might be beneficial to a situation.