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Is it because alcohol, tobacco, and firearms also have legal pathways? So they spend time tracking down cheats and checking/enforcing regulations?

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[-] SolOrion@sh.itjust.works 15 points 10 months ago

So many gun laws are just fucking stupid. Tons of stuff is banned because it looks scary.

SBRs being illegal is pretty dumb.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Brother, I can talk dumb and ineffective gun laws all night long without repeating myself.

Problem is that people, of any political persuasion, don't get the notion of political capital. I rant about it a lot. :)

No matter how right you think you are, no matter how scientifically valid your reasoning, no matter how sensible, no matter what, making laws costs goodwill. Decisions cost votes. And votes determine one's ability to stay in office and effect the sorts of changes one, and hopefully, their constituents want.

Knowing that and factoring it in is what politicians need to be doing. FFS, this is high school Government 101.

Guns for example:

"We want a 'high capacity' mag ban!"

Well, none of that works like you think. High cap mags jam, the military won't even use 'em, only mass shooter idiots, and I'd rather their shit jam. Besides, swapping a mag is trivial for a shooter, 4-seconds if he sucks. Can we talk about it?

"Children! Safety! WANT!"

OK, it's gotta cost voters, and cost you a chance to make real changes.

"WANT!"

tl;dr If the Democrats had brains enough to read the room, they'd drop the non-stop gun ban shit, take the issue back from the assholes, gain all those single-issue voters and sweep the polls everywhere.

"WANT!!!"

[-] toastus@feddit.de 4 points 10 months ago

So I have no idea about guns but would you say there is no legislative way to end the fact that the USA is the only first world country with a mass shooting like every other day?

Again I am not arguing for or against any one particular measure or ban.
I don't know anything about high cap mags or whatever.
But I do know that other countries seem to show a correlation between stricter gun laws and less fatalities by gun.

Or is it your 2nd amendment that stands in the way of effective legislative measures?

It just seems like a problem that should be so easy to solve and as a European it just seems strange that you guys seem to be completely unable to even make improvements.

[-] AnotherRyguy@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I think the issue here is that lawmakers don't know enough about guns to write laws to regulate them effectively. They just ban things that sound dangerous because it makes it look like they're doing things without actually having to do things.

Republicans have a legitimate argument that Democrat gun control laws are fucking stupid, and Democrats have a legitimate argument that we need more gun control. Most of us just sit here wishing you can be allowed to own a gun, but not buy a fucking assault rifle from some random dickhead at at a gun fair.

[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 months ago

Most of us just sit here wishing you can be allowed to own a gun, but not buy a fucking assault rifle from some random dickhead at at a gun fair.

You've fallen into the trap yourself. "Assault rifles" are defined as "select fire rifles in an intermediate caliber intended for infantry use." Select fire rifles have been banned in the US since 1986, 37yr ago, unless you have your Class III SOT (which means you have the licencure required to own them because you showed an ATF agent your business plan of selling them to mil and police.)

What you have an issue with is just a regular semiautomatic rifle that cosmetically looks scary and black, but functions just like every other semi auto rifle or pistol on the planet. Not only that, but all rifles (not even just ARs, all rifles) are responsible for 500/60,000 gun deaths for a rate of 0.2% of gun deaths. Banning them would do nothing, mass shooters already use handguns more and as we see from the VT shooting you can kill a lot of unarmed people with them.

[-] JustZ@lemmy.world -3 points 10 months ago

Oh god one of these absolute donkies whining about definitions when guns are the leading cause of death among children.

[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 10 months ago

For the one year they weren't riding around in cars? Btw that study has been majorly debunked, it included kids 0-19 and only took place in Philly, NYC, Chicago, Baltimore, and LA, our areas particularly known for gang violence, gangs which are famously all populated with people under 25 (cause usually they don't live much longer, or get arrested, or quit but that's the least popular option.)

[-] JustZ@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Gun violence is gun violence and our major cities are the places we should be studying and conforming our policy to. You people are deranged and gullible.

[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Lol. "O-block is violent we need to make the entire rest of the country which is the size of the EU conform to 10 sq mi."

Call me when you actually have meaningful input.

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