I can’t believe how many shitlibs there are in here, using this opportunity to guilt people with an actual conscience into voting for this piece of shit as if he has some sort of moral high ground.

What is the lesser evil when both the DNC and the GOP work directly for the exact same military industrial complex?

The real villain here is the system that makes any party outside of the two party system completely irrelevant: first-past-the-post.

We have two Republican parties. One of them just so happens to pretend better at being inclusive..but they secretly also wish that the poor could be burned to fuel their mega-yachts.

[–] GreatWhiteNope@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

If they’re both equally evil internationally and mostly equally evil domestically, am I allowed to vote for who is less likely to remove more human rights from women and trans people?

I would never tell anyone that they should vote, I understand people’s reasons for not doing it. Selfishly, I’m going to give myself the best chance of having access to life saving health care until I’m no longer of child bearing age.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

In terms of federal representatives, that's rather like a poor white German supporting the Strassers.

[–] GreatWhiteNope@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If Hitler had actually held an election and the only options were him or a Strasser party, I don’t think it would be immoral to vote for the Strassers. But I also don’t think it would be a moral obligation if you had no reason to believe they would stop the Holocaust.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

A vote for Hindenburg was indeed a vote for Hitler, so I think the moral is that caping for a lesser evil instead of trying to build good (and those two things are normally opposed) is not a constructive behavior. I couldn't give less of a shit who you personally vote for, that's the consumer-lifestyle version of political engagement. I do care somewhat what you advocate for, because promoting the lesser evil is still promoting evil over good (using the overly moralistic phrasing of the adage).

Withholding support from Nazis (on any substantial level) is plainly the better option if you want to not need to keep choosing between two Nazis.

[–] GreatWhiteNope@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

The 1932 election had a communist option, it’s unlikely that there will be one on my ballot.

We’re not going to overthrow fascism in America at the voting booth. I’m not trying to convince anyone to vote for Biden, that’s his job and he’s not doing it very well. I’m also not going to shame anyone for doing something easy like voting in the hopes that it makes them a tiny bit safer.

I would shame someone if they thought that voting democrat is a step towards bringing about positive change or parroted some bullshit about how we can get more concessions from Democrats than Republicans. If voting is the extent of your political engagement, you aren’t opposing fascism.

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

A vote for Hindenburg was indeed a vote for Hitler

How so? Hindenburg was Hitler's biggest political adversary and refused to pronounce Hitler chancellor until 2 consecutive elections failed.

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