Denys Davydov did video on these type of comments about a week ago. He dragged up a lot of newspaper front pages of the invasion of the Nazis in 1945. There was a ton of articles stating just how slow the move was going. An attacking force is always going to have a hard time against a very entrenched enemy. You also have to remember Ukraine does not have a good air force until they get those pilots trained up for the F-16. They are making gains and are knocking on the second defence line in two areas. Any gains Russia has made they loose 2 days later, with the exception of Bakhmut.

[–] ToastyWaffles@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That's just not true. Ukraine has not even gotten through the first defense line anywhere along the front. Where are you referring to with them knocking on the second line?

[–] Syldon@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So it is a lie that they have broken through to Robotyne?

[–] ToastyWaffles@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm not sure if Robotyne has completely been taken by AFU or not, but that's not part of the "first line of defense". These are outer/forward defense positions. We aren't totally sure what portion of Russian defense units are manning these forward positions however, and the RFAF have tried to build up fortification around the area, but its not the first official line, which is maybe where people get confused.

If you look at this image, I've labelled the two main lines of the Russian defenses from deepstatemap:

https://i.imgur.com/MnksZXt.png

And here I've circled in blue, an example of what portion of the Defense in Depth doctrine, Robotyne and areas where AFU has made gains, these parts of the front are equivalent to:

https://i.imgur.com/nOSvIJU.png

Source for second image US Fort Moore on Russian Maneuver Defense: https://www.moore.army.mil/armor/eARMOR/content/issues/2021/Spring/2Grau_Bartles21.pdf

[–] Syldon@feddit.uk -1 points 1 year ago

Russia have left Robotyne and those black lines are defence lines. The deep state map is always a few days behind.

Ukraine has also committed the 82 brigade into that area to push further forward. All of which has been made possible with the newer method of mine detecting.

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