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I am probably unqualified to speak about this, as I am using an RX 550 low profile and a 768P monitor and almost never play newer titles, but I want to kickstart a discussion, so hear me out.

The push for more realistic graphics was ongoing for longer than most of us can remember, and it made sense for most of its lifespan, as anyone who looked at an older game can confirm - I am a person who has fun making fun of weird looking 3D people.

But I feel games' graphics have reached the point of diminishing returns, AAA studios of today spend millions of dollars just to match the graphics' level of their previous titles - often sacrificing other, more important things on the way, and that people are unnecessarily spending lots of money on electricity consuming heat generating GPUs.

I understand getting an expensive GPU for high resolution, high refresh rate gaming but for 1080P? you shouldn't need anything more powerful than a 1080 TI for years. I think game studios should just slow down their graphical improvements, as they are unnecessary - in my opinion - and just prevent people with lower end systems from enjoying games, and who knows, maybe we will start seeing 50 watt gaming GPUs being viable and capable of running games at medium/high settings, going for cheap - even iGPUs render good graphics now.

TLDR: why pay for more and hurt the environment with higher power consumption when what we have is enough - and possibly overkill.

Note: it would be insane of me to claim that there is not a big difference between both pictures - Tomb Raider 2013 Vs Shadow of the Tomb raider 2018 - but can you really call either of them bad, especially the right picture (5 years old)?

Note 2: this is not much more that a discussion starter that is unlikely to evolve into something larger.

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[-] LanAkou@lemm.ee 86 points 1 year ago

Is it diminishing returns? Yes, of course.

Is it taxing on your GPU? Absolutely.

But, consider Control.

Control is a game made by the people who made Alan Wake. It's a fun AAA title that is better than it has any right to be. Packed with content. No microtransactions. It has it all. The only reason it's as good as it is? Nvidia paid them a shitload of money to put raytracing in their game to advertise the new (at the time) 20 series cards. Control made money before it even released thanks to GPU manufacturers.

Would the game be as good if it didn't have raytracing? Well, technically yes. You can play it without raytracing and it plays the same. But it wouldn't be as good if Nvidia hadn't paid them, and that means raytracing has to be included.

A lot of these big budget AAA "photorealism" games for PC are funded, at least partially, by Nvidia or AMD. They're the games you'll get for free if you buy their new GPU that month. Consoles are the same way. Did Bloodborne need to have shiny blood effects? Did Spiderman need to look better than real life New York? No, but these games are made to sell hardware, and the tradeoff is that the games don't have to make piles of money (even if some choose to include mtx anyway).

Until GPU manufacturers can find something else to strive for, I think we'll be seeing these incremental increases in graphical fidelity, to our benefit.

[-] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 1 year ago

So the advantage is that it helps create more planned obsolescence and make sure there will be no one to play the games in 100 years?

[-] LanAkou@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago

Is that a real question? Like, what are we even doing here?

The advantage is that game companies are paid by hardware companies to push the boundaries of gamemaking, an art form that many creators enjoy working in and many humans enjoy consuming.

"It's ultimately creating more junk so it's bad" what an absolutely braindead observation. You're gonna log on to a website that's bad for the environment from your phone or tablet or computer that's bad for the environment and talk about how computer hardware is bad for the environment? Are you using gray water to flush your toilet? Are you keeping your showers to 2 minutes, unheated, and using egg whites instead of shampoo? Are you eating only locally grown foods because the real Earth killer is our trillion dollar shopping industry? Hope you don't watch TV or go to movies or have any fun at all while Taylor Swift rents her jet to Elon Musk's 8th kid.

Hey, buddy, Earth is probably over unless we start making some violent changes 30 years ago. Why would you come to a discussion on graphical fidelity to peddle doomer garbage, get a grip.

[-] Gaywallet@beehaw.org 31 points 1 year ago

reminder to be nice on our instance

[-] LanAkou@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

Sorry hoss lost my cool won't happen again ๐Ÿ˜Ž

[-] Gaywallet@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

cheers m8 ๐Ÿ’œ it happens

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