Okay but instead of making infantile suggestions that no one with any sort of adult mind think is even possible, including the US and Ukrainian Militaries, why don’t we talk about actually likely ways to end the war? Why are the two choices perpetual war and unilateral surrender? It sounds an awful lot like you want to fight “to the last Ukrainian”, to me.

[–] just_browsing@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hmm, seems like you're arguing in good faith.

I never said those are the only two choices, but every peace deal that Russia has come to the table with either includes ceding large amounts of territory or giving up control over their government. Do you think the Ukrainian people would find any of that acceptable after everything Russia has put them through?

Sounds an awful lot like you just want fascist Russia to conquer Ukraine.

[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We may have varying definitions of their territory, or maybe we’re looking at different proposed peace accords. Donetsk and Luhansk are recognized by Ukraine under the Minsk II accords as autonomous zones, contained within Ukraine, but not subject to its laws. So, if that’s what you’re referring to, that isn’t Ukrainian territory anymore than Turkish Kurdistan is Turkeys territory. I support the right of people to self determination, up to and including the right to declare autonomy.

If that’s not what you’re referring to, then I must be behind, because that’s the last peace accord that I heard of.

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