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[–] SuddenDownpour@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I think people generally agree that the drafts for the Vietnam war were not justified.

[–] zer0@thelemmy.club 27 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Drafts are never justified, you don't own anyone else life

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

And they don't owe you anything either.

So it would be only fair if Society does not provide any services whatsoever to draft dogers so: citizenship revoked, no ownership of anything they cannot hold and defend themselves, if they're victims of a crime "though luck", no firemen, no use of communal spaces including roads, no public Schools, no emergency medical care and even no indirect benefits like FDIC insurance on their bank deposits and many others.

If you have no duty to Society then Society has no duty to you, aka you're a Pariah, worse than that even, as anybody can kill you anytime they feel like it since Society does not even has that duty to you - if you have no duty towards everybody else then they have no duty to enforce "rights" for you: it's only fair since "rights" only exists because Society has agreed to them and enforces them so those who don't agree with contributing to that agree to have no rights (and, as I said above, that also means the Right To Live and the Right To Ownership as well as any Citizenship Rights).

Strangelly, the crowd claiming they want Freedom only seems to want Freedom of their duties never Freedom from all those "Rights" than everybody else as a Society is making sure they have.

[–] XJ9Wakeman@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If it were possible to live somewhere without government interference, I would do it in a heartbeat.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, well, you're slowly getting to my point: if you want to live amongst other people you have to abide by common rules since your Freedom ends were other people's Freedom starts.

(Which is how we ended up with the complex beast which is the Nation State, with all its imperfections)

Absolutelly, some people would love to trully be free in the genuine sense of the word and there really aren't that many places on Earth were that is possible (they were born in the wrong Age, IMHO), but most people seem to want Freedom AND all the upsides of Human Civilization both at the same time, in other words, Rights without Duties.

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